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The Home Theater Corner => List your HT system => Topic started by: bmwr75 on January 16, 2015, 01:45:41 PM
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Here is approximately what the home theater room will be when the new house is finished. This was originally supposed to be a bonus room on the 2nd floor above the garage that was oddly shaped (followed the roof line). Decided to box it in and make it rectangular following the golden rule dimensions for audio rooms. Y'all think this will be a decent sounding HT room?
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Hey Scott it's Ian, don't know much about room design and or dynamics but here's hoping it comes out well for you.
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that slant in the ceiling should help a little bit with reflections, but i won't claim to know what i'm talking about
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Looking good Scott! I assume that you are going to place the subwoofers on the wall centers (not in the corners) on three or four walls?
Where is the popcorn machine? :(|) :(|) :(|)
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Two subs most likely Carl. Placing them on the long walls is doable.
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I love the slanted ceiling and the split level. How hard would it be to make that a gradual slant for the entire length of the room rather than the quick slant then level ceiling?
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Hey Mark. At this point in construction that would be an expensive redo. We are at the point of painting the finished sheetrock. I asked the contractor about slanting the complete ceiling and seem to recall he was concerned about the ceiling joists sagging because they would have been >25' long.
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Hey Scott it's Ian, don't know much about room design and or dynamics but here's hoping it comes out well for you.
Thanks much Ian.
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I really have no idea if it would even be preferable, just thinking out loud.
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That looks like a great design - not much to add. Like Mark wrote a continuous slant would create a smoother acoustical horn, but this is pretty dang nice. Make sure the floor platform holding the second couch is dampened properly, they tend to want to make a sound of their own otherwise 8).
Just to be on the safe side, you could leave a hidden cable run for front heights, surround heights, and god speakers (ceiling above couches) in case Auro-3D or Dolby Atmos really take off.
http://viahome.com/dolby-atmos-vs-auro-3d-surround-sound/ (http://viahome.com/dolby-atmos-vs-auro-3d-surround-sound/)
Pepe
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I'll echo what OBG said.... wire the room for as many speakers as possible in the floor, walls and ceiling all leading to one point at the equip location. I built my room addition with audio / surround in mind thinking that we'll move to 12.5 surround or greater at some point..... the extra wiring really came in handy when I changed my out door set up and added an additional sub in side that I hadn't planned on. I used 12 gauge low oxy "in wall" wire throughout the walls, and floor ( can't do ceiling in my room) .... I think I cornered the market on copper for a while in the Pittsburgh region. Make sure that you use "in wall" or "outdoor" grade wire.... and its per the building codes.
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Don't forget the A/C side of the wiring. 20 to 30 amp lines for amps and separate circuits for the front end and sources. I also use a separate circuit for non audio gear, such as lighting.
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just realized that you're putting a 134" screen in there. what, couldn't spring for 135? :P
that'll be incredible. get a 4k projector for that thing, and you'll think it's all happening in front of you.
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Scott -
Just thought about one other thing - the screen. The inexpensive thing to do is get a motorized 16:9 screen. If you can put a few more bucks on the table, get one that tensions automatically (no waves!), and, if you can put a few more bucks on the table, auto-masking for 2.35:1 movies. If you can afford it because you hit the lotto, get an anamorphic lens for the projector so you can use its full resolution on 2.35:1 movies. Those anamorphic lens are expensive but hold their value well (and if you are lazy like me, get anamorphic lens that moves into place with servo motors when you press the right button on the remote).
:P
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Only one more thing... (like Columbo): make sure the hdmi to the projector is hdmi 1.4 so it will be able to handle 4k (or any cable certified for 4K at the length that you are needing).
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Lots of great suggestions guys. Thanks for all the input.
I've already prewired it for a 7.2 set up. I am not jumping on the Atmos wagon most likely ever. Bought a Denon AVR4820 CI to run it all. My HT speakers are all Klipsch, so they are not a huge load on the amp section. Am probably going to purchase a Sony VPLHW40ES projector. Don't think it does 4K, but once again I got over being on the bleeding edge of HT technology a long time ago (and the premium price to be paid for the equipment). However, will consider a 4K projector if anyone knows of a great one in the $2000-2500 range. Since am already paying to build a new house, the money supply is limited.
Pepe, am planning to buy a Carada Criterion fixed screen. That is what I had in Pgh and was very happy with it. A 134" runs just a hair less than $1000.
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Did run a dedicated 20 amp circuit for the AVR and sources.
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I guess some explanation is merited. In 1997 I jumped feet first into HT. Bought a 50" rear projection standard definition TV for probably $3000 (sold it for about $500 three years later). In 2000 replaced it with a $4000 65" read projection HD TV. About 5 years later I had to give away the 65" behemoth to get rid of it. About that same time HDMI came out and the first two Denon AVRs I had bought at the cost of about $3800 became obsolete for video switching and digital decoding. So I grew weary of chasing the everchanging HT equipment developments. My approach now is to buy the 3 year old technology and save a ton of money. The only HT projector I ever owned previously was a 720P Mitsubishi that threw a 102" picture in a 100% light controlled basement...............was happy with it until it was sold to the new home owner in August 2014.
The AVR I just bought sold for $2999 when it came out a few years ago. It is now discontinued and I got it for $1099. :)
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Lots of great suggestions guys. Thanks for all the input.
I've already prewired it for a 7.2 set up. I am not jumping on the Atmos wagon most likely ever. Bought a Denon AVR4820 CI to run it all. My HT speakers are all Klipsch, so they are not a huge load on the amp section. Am probably going to purchase a Sony VPLHW40ES projector. Don't think it does 4K, but once again I got over being on the bleeding edge of HT technology a long time ago (and the premium price to be paid for the equipment). However, will consider a 4K projector if anyone knows of a great one in the $2000-2500 range. Since am already paying to build a new house, the money supply is limited.
Pepe, am planning to buy a Carada Criterion fixed screen. That is what I had in Pgh and was very happy with it. A 134" runs just a hair less than $1000.
At that price point your will not get even close to a 4K projector (and beware of anything claiming to be 4K near that price - it is probably simulated 4k, not native! [but if you find one - buy two and sell one to me]).
I remember the Carada at your house - great screens - and they are, by definition, tensioned. I like my motorized elite screen but would not mind getting rid of a waves in areas of the screen that are not completely flat. Next one will be tensioned.
P
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bmw-I am with you. Any gear with video capabilities falls in value like a rock. I use a plasma TV to switch HDMI and run the audio (and baseband/component video for the other zones in my house) through the pre-pro. My Oppo analog audio out is fed directly into the pre-pro to skip it's processor and the need to stay up to the minute with the audio and video technology (the cable box is never completely up to date). As long as the flat screen and DVD player are current tech, so is the rest of the system. This saves me well over 1/2 of new and yet maintains superior audio and video performance.
Your room looks great; I wish I had that much space.
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Very cool Scott! I am envious but I am brooding because I can't come over to watch movies.
I have an alternate approach to HT. I encourage my friends to spend a lot of money on their HT sound and video systems. Then I can go over to their houses to watch movies and eat snacks. It saves me money. Please feel free to invite me to your home, I will come!
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Carl, you are welcome to visit us in NE MS after we get moved in. Should be about March 1 at latest.
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Hey Scott,
Very wise in not chasing cutting edge technology. Its an expensive lesson to learn. And besides, some folks think the content is more important.
That room should sound great no matter what you decide. You should sell tickets!!!
take care
Mike
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Lots of great suggestions guys. Thanks for all the input.
I've already prewired it for a 7.2 set up. I am not jumping on the Atmos wagon most likely ever. Bought a Denon AVR4820 CI to run it all. My HT speakers are all Klipsch, so they are not a huge load on the amp section. Am probably going to purchase a Sony VPLHW40ES projector. Don't think it does 4K, but once again I got over being on the bleeding edge of HT technology a long time ago (and the premium price to be paid for the equipment). However, will consider a 4K projector if anyone knows of a great one in the $2000-2500 range. Since am already paying to build a new house, the money supply is limited.
Pepe, am planning to buy a Carada Criterion fixed screen. That is what I had in Pgh and was very happy with it. A 134" runs just a hair less than $1000.
don't know anything about them for the most part, but they do exist in that price range: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lumax-Imaging-4K-HDLMX-FULL-HD-1080P-LED-Projector-with-HD-FULL-1080P-Compatible-/111186449672?pt=US_Video_Projectors&hash=item19e33a9508 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lumax-Imaging-4K-HDLMX-FULL-HD-1080P-LED-Projector-with-HD-FULL-1080P-Compatible-/111186449672?pt=US_Video_Projectors&hash=item19e33a9508)
i would love to have 4k. 3d and crap like that is a gimmick ,but 4k really will take over just because it's super hi-res.
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BJ - that is one of the "not-4K-but-claims-4K" projectors, considered a white van item. Definitely not worth 2300 bucks, I am not sure I would pay 200 for it. Native resolution is 1080P (1920 X 1080), and even at that it has a bad rep. Stay away from it!
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-digital-projectors-under-3-000-usd-msrp/1314432-white-van-projector-scam.html (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-digital-projectors-under-3-000-usd-msrp/1314432-white-van-projector-scam.html)
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I saw a big curved screen tv at Sams that was supposed to be hi-res but the color looked so fake on it.
My 1984 Sony Profeel looks alot better.
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I am not on the 3D bandwagon either. Smells like a fad to me. Same for curved screens, but I might be wrong on that count, time will tell.
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I saw a 4K display over the holidays that stopped me dead in my tracks. When the time comes, I'll give it serious thought if there is enough program material available. I didn't care for 3D in the theater and believe a very good quality, properly set up standard screen has a fair amount of depth to begin with.
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yep, run as many circuts as possible.... I ran two for audio, and another for the other plugs around the room. make sure to wire so sub(s) are on their own... and you'll want to make sure that the two for audio are on seperate sides of the box to avoid any ground loops! trust me on this! lol
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Carl, you are welcome to visit us in NE MS after we get moved in. Should be about March 1 at latest.
It is my quest to visit you there! Hopefully soon!
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I saw a big curved screen tv at Sams that was supposed to be hi-res but the color looked so fake on it.
My 1984 Sony Profeel looks alot better.
A lot of that can be due to set up.
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agree - the stores set TVs up in "torch mode" - you have to find a remote and set them to cinema to get a remote idea of what normal would look like.
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Here are a couple of moderately crappy pictures of the new HT room.
The first was taken standing in the entry door looking towards where the screen will be mounted.
The second is looking back towards the room entry door.
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Looks great!
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Looking real good Scott!
Do you have your wiring figured out and run?
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Mighty impressive to say the least, Scott. I for one can't wait to see it when it's all complete.----Bill
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Looking real good Scott!
Do you have your wiring figured out and run?
Yes Carl, we prewired it for 7.2 HT.
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when I grow up I want to build a HT room like that >:D