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PBJ/BJ's Carver Line Source Prototypes
« on: January 14, 2017, 03:20:50 PM »
The speakers are beautiful,  finished in black.   Listened to some Beatles and the reference standard,  Pat Barber.  A DSP 2x4  active crossover is used to pass only frequencies above 100 hz to the towers (and EQ things a bit,  I am sure),  the rest goes to a subwoofer.  They sounded as you would expect speakers in that price range to sound like:  wide/tall soundstage  and excellent imaging (Rev though it holographic), very accurate/precise,  as you would expect from a good line-source design.  So yes, I am envious - congrats PBJ! (custodian in possession). 

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Audio by Jose Sifontes, on Flickr

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Re: PBJ/BJ's Carver Line Source Prototypes
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2017, 04:38:38 PM »
Very nice.  An outboard sub, I assume.
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Re: PBJ/BJ's Carver Line Source Prototypes
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2017, 04:40:44 PM »
Wowie zowie!
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Re: PBJ/BJ's Carver Line Source Prototypes
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2017, 05:26:29 PM »
Very nice.  An outboard sub, I assume.

The speakers go to about 100Hz and roll off from there.  We're using a sub, but it's just a cheap polk, as budget is a factor.  It really only tackles the super low stuff though, and it's doing the job quite well surprisingly.
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Re: PBJ/BJ's Carver Line Source Prototypes
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2017, 06:06:21 PM »
Very nice.  An outboard sub, I assume.

The speakers go to about 100Hz and roll off from there.  We're using a sub, but it's just a cheap polk, as budget is a factor.  It really only tackles the super low stuff though, and it's doing the job quite well surprisingly.

Agree, did not sense the need for anything better,  maybe change its position a bit if that.  The bass was really good even w/o the sub.   :P

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Re: PBJ/BJ's Carver Line Source Prototypes
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2017, 09:29:27 PM »
Really good subs will just get you evicted from an apartment.   Those are beautiful, I can't wait to hear them.

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Re: PBJ/BJ's Carver Line Source Prototypes
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2017, 01:44:08 AM »
Looks like I'll be up especially late tonight. Pepe, thanks to you and Rev for helping BJ getting these set up. We did turn the sub 90 so the woofer is aiming right into the room. Talk about a wall of sound. These things are incredible. WAF was as expected (-) but she wasn't enamored about the Silvers either. I did have to move the clock to the left a bit.

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Re: PBJ/BJ's Carver Line Source Prototypes
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2017, 07:46:03 AM »
Congrats to PBJ!!!! Rock on!!!
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Re: PBJ/BJ's Carver Line Source Prototypes
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2017, 08:27:02 AM »
Those look amazing! Glad you got them and enjoy them. WAF be damned, just keep her from hanging clothes on them!

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Re: PBJ/BJ's Carver Line Source Prototypes
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2017, 09:25:48 AM »
How do these differ from the Carver's? or are they Carver's without the name... should they be called James's?
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Re: PBJ/BJ's Carver Line Source Prototypes
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2017, 09:43:24 AM »
How do these differ from the Carver's? or are they Carver's without the name... should they be called James's?

These are the Carver prototypes without the crappy super tweeter, and they use an active EQ like they were originally supposed to have; the retail model has giant out-board passive crossovers.  They're still Carvers in my opinion.
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Re: PBJ/BJ's Carver Line Source Prototypes
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2017, 12:45:52 PM »
OK... confused. Thought you were getting a pair of James's custom designed / make speakers... that were suppose to be a better/ refined version of the Carver
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Re: PBJ/BJ's Carver Line Source Prototypes
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2017, 02:48:37 PM »
OK... confused. Thought you were getting a pair of James's custom designed / make speakers... that were suppose to be a better/ refined version of the Carver

Very long story for another day and another venue.  I'll give you a call this week if I have some time.  On my way to Baltimore right now.
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Re: PBJ/BJ's Carver Line Source Prototypes
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2017, 04:32:09 PM »
Bet they SOUND better than the production model.
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Re: PBJ/BJ's Carver Line Source Prototypes
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2017, 04:49:28 PM »
Bet they SOUND better than the production model.

I just commented about them in the Stereophile TAS (The Absolute Sound) site.   I am sure they sound better without the massive mess created by a complicated passive x-over, but IMO they also look better without the supertweeter monstrosity on top.

These sounded great despite using a regular miniDSP 2x4 - which essentially means the sound is limited to 48Khz processing.  The sound would be improved further with a miniDSP HD (an easy future swap for BJ/PBJ).  The miniDSP approach also allows for tailoring the speakers to the room they are in (if you want to get geeky),  something the production model would not be able to accommodate.   

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Spkr: VMPS RM40
Pre: McCormack RLD-1, Rotel 970BX Phono
Amps: Channel Islands Audio D-200 MkII 
Phono: VPI Aries 1,  Van de Hul Frog
CD: Oppo BDP-83 DAC: Young DSD DAC
Cass: Tascam 122MkII
R2R: Revox B77
Sub: Rhythmik FV 15HP

 

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