Vintage HiFi Audio Forum
Audio Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: ataudio on November 23, 2012, 02:00:08 PM
-
Hello and Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. I was hoping someone could spare 5 or 10 minutes and educate me on building
a laptop media (audio only) server. I've started some google searches but was hoping someone could outline it for me.
So far my understanding of this process is:
1) copy my native CDs onto my laptop hard drive as lossless files (flac comes up on google). Once they are on my laptop
I can use my headphones while traveling and (worst case) use the headphone jack to feed my preamp.
2) I would then like to take these flac files and spit a digital signal out of a USB port and use
a USB DAC...the AudioQuest Dragonfly seems to be a huge bang for the buck. Use the Dragonfly's audio out to my humble preamp.
3) ...or have the laptop export a digital signal out of a USB port and use a digital preamp. IE: Emotiva XDA-2.
Am I understanding the basics correctly? What software takes a flac file and spits out a digital stream from the USB ports?
Will any USB dac be able to understand and use this digital signal?
-
If you can convert the FLAC to Apple lossless and use an old or new Mac to store, that can stream whatever you have in that Mac's iTunes to an Apple TV (1st or gen or current gen), which can then be connected to a decent DAC via optical. That is very easy to do and simple to use/control from your iPhone or iPod Touch or iPad. The Windows option is a little more complicated.
-
Thanks OBG. At the moment I have a Windows laptop. As an experiment I might try one of the cheap FiiO DACs I see on Amazon.
I dont think I'm ready for the Emotiva XDA digital (only)pre amp just yet. A preamp is another "work in progress" areas.
I will continue to look into more products like the Dragonfly, HRT, MF V-dac. Lots of choices...much more reading to do.
-
Hi there!
I am also kind of playing with the concept of a music server. Right now what I am doing is playing FLAC files on my laptop using MediaMonkey. I use a Muse DA-20 USB DAC to go from my laptop to the Preamp. You shouldn't need any new software to stream from your USB. I have heard people raving about the Logitech Squeezebox Touch and the Sonos Connect. (I have 0 experience with either of those) The Logitech Squeezebox use to be on Amazon for a bunch, then dropped to 250, sold out, and is no longer for sale. I did, however, look on ebay and found one that is recently posted for 289.99 and free shipping. Might want to consider it. Or you can be like me and spend like 50, get the USB DAC, and worry about the rest later. Here are some links that might help.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Logitech-Squeezebox-Touch-Wi-Fi-Ethernet-Network-Music-Player-Internet-Radio-/390502683901?pt=US_Internet_Media_Streamers&hash=item5aebc614fd (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Logitech-Squeezebox-Touch-Wi-Fi-Ethernet-Network-Music-Player-Internet-Radio-/390502683901?pt=US_Internet_Media_Streamers&hash=item5aebc614fd)
http://www.stereophile.com/mediaservers/logitech_squeezebox_touch_network_music_player/index.html (http://www.stereophile.com/mediaservers/logitech_squeezebox_touch_network_music_player/index.html)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MUSE-DA20-Hi-quality-PCM2707-USB-DAC-Nice-Mini-DAC-Silv-/270901808251?pt=US_Amplifier_Parts_Components&hash=item3f13018c7b (http://www.ebay.com/itm/MUSE-DA20-Hi-quality-PCM2707-USB-DAC-Nice-Mini-DAC-Silv-/270901808251?pt=US_Amplifier_Parts_Components&hash=item3f13018c7b)
http://www.sonos.com/shop/products/connect (http://www.sonos.com/shop/products/connect)
-
I have two different setups. I have a media server I host on a blank xp box connected to a 2TB drive. I use a program called Subsonic. It's a freeware media server program. I use a ftp server to upload to that box so I don't have to keep plugging into it. I can upload files from anywhere. Subsonic works well in that it is browser based and can be accessed from any computer/phone/tablet/etc. Android and apple both have apps and widgets to run on your phone. When I'm at work, I stream it through my laptop and use a usb connected, HifiMan tube headphone dac/amp to my headphones. Sounds killer. Subsonic can play any media type including FLAC files.
For home use, I have the same media box running itunes which is synched to my apple tv. I'm using the digital out on the apple tv thru a ps audio dac before it goes through my pre.
I'd check out subsonic, it works very well for me and many of my friends. http://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp (http://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp)
-
Sounds like Subsonic is the way to go - the software is free and you get inexpensive tech support from sweaty balls for a flat fee of tree fiddy. :o
-
I'm a windows kind of guy, so I know squat about Apple & personally do not care for iTurnes cuz it is so inflexible & does not have the best sound quality. My current set-up is an 8TB Server > MF V-Link 192 > Schiit Gungnir DAC > C-19 > Rotel RB-1090 > DIY 2-1/2 way Towers w/ 2 HSU subs
For a windows based laptop, see this link for some good set-up info to maximize performance. http://www.native-instruments.com/knowledge/questions/847/Windows+7+Tuning+Tips+for+Audio+Processing (http://www.native-instruments.com/knowledge/questions/847/Windows+7+Tuning+Tips+for+Audio+Processing)
I put all my files into FLAC format. It is 100% lossless & about 30% smaller in size than other losless formats.
If find your memory is not big enough you can get a small portable USB HD for less than $100.
You run a USB cable to your DAC if it has a USN input. If your DAC does not, you can get a USB to SPDIF converter. Run a USB cable to the converter. Then run a coax digital or TosLink (optical) to your DAC. I recommend the Music Fidelity V-Link 192 http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=MFVL192 (http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=MFVL192)
I use AISO4ALL v2 as my output driver.
I use dBpoweramp for ripping. It imports all the metadata & cover-art automatically & will auto-correct any errors.
I use Foobar to manage & play all my music.
I think the Drangonfly is probably the best value out there right now in DAC's. It can easily be used for headphones or in your main system.
As always,
JMHO YMMV
-
Forgot to mention that I use another freeware program called Fluke. This allows the playing of FLAC files in itunes.
-
Rev, are you sure Subsonic can stream flac? I know it can play flac but from my breif experience with it I thought it always transcoded flac to mp3 when streaming. Not entirely sure though, that was a while ago.
As for a DAC I have the Fiio E10 at work and I like it a lot so far. And its on sale for super cheap this weekend:
http://www.adorama.com/FIE10.html?utm_term=Other&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_campaign=Other&utm_source=rflaid62905 (http://www.adorama.com/FIE10.html?utm_term=Other&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_campaign=Other&utm_source=rflaid62905)
-
I think you are correct about the streaming. From the subsonic website.
"Transcoding engine allows for streaming of a variety of lossy and lossless formats by converting to MP3 on-the-fly."
-
I was never a big fan of iTunes, but Rev's setup with the AppleTV sounds pretty darn good to my ears (but it may be the damn Silvers coloring sound to perfection). You can go to the trouble of using something else, but at the end of the day to me it is about sound, and that config sounds pretty darn good. If your aim is to play higher-re files itunes is not the best choice (I use Songbird to play FLAC files, that is a great app). The best-DAC debate gets religious pretty quick, so not going there. I am happy with the Emotiva I am using in the main system.
OBG
-
Another really easy option if you will only be dealing with music is to just use google music. That's what I use to listen to music at work with me Fiio E10 and on my phone. You can upload up to 20,000 files with a free google music account. It can handle any type of audio file but it will convert any lossless to 320kbps mp3 during the upload process. Definitely worth checking out.
-
iTunes on a PC or Mac streaming to an AppleTV feeding a DAC via its digital output is absolutely the easiest way I think to stream great sounding music.
I've never downloaded or bought a single lossless music file. My whole music library in iTunes is ripped from CDs using Apple Lossless file format (basically the closest Apple format to FLAC). Don't think iTunes is the greatest CD ripper, but the convenience overrides this for me.
I have a Squeezebox Touch that is used to just stream FLAC and other files > 16 bit/44.1 Hz resolution from the same PC. Logitech Media Server has to run on the PC to do this........sad thing is Logitech has discontinued the Touch. These Hi-Rez files sound amazing.
-
Fwiw, you might want to check out xbmc as your interface.
It's an htpc package but may do the trick.
-
So far my understanding of this process is:
1) copy my native CDs onto my laptop hard drive as lossless files (flac comes up on google).
EAC (Exact Audio Copy) is a freeware program you can download to make copies of your CD’s. It can make MP3 or Lossless files, among others. However lossless files being bit-perfect (they have all the resolution of your CD) are large & can use use up your memory quickly. MP3's are compressed, require less memory but have less ressolution.
http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/en/ (http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/en/)
Once they are on my laptop I can use my headphones while traveling and (worst case) use the headphone jack to feed my preamp.
You can, but the DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) in any laptop is typically a $5 chip with less than optimal performance.
2) I would then like to take these flac files and spit a digital signal out of a USB port and use
a USB DAC...the AudioQuest Dragonfly seems to be a huge bang for the buck. Use the Dragonfly's audio out to my humble preamp.
The DF is a V good option for anyone starting out, IMHO.
3) ...or have the laptop export a digital signal out of a USB port and use a digital preamp. IE: Emotiva XDA-2.
The XDA-2 is a DAC with a headphone amp & a volume control. It will not accept analog inputs. With the DF, you basically get the same thing, but it is portable so you could easily use it with your laptop or home system.
-
Thank you all very much! I do appreciate the time and effort from all. After the holidays I think it will be the AQ Dragonfly.
Looks like a very nice product at a very reasonable price. I definately think that 2013 will be the year I start my media
server. But then again I also promised myself I would start scanning in all of my negatives to once and for all start digitizing my
35mm and medium format negatives...another gigantic project. Thanks again everyone!
-
Ataudio
How many CDs will you be ripping to your hard drive? I currently am using a Logitech Touch with a Benchmark DAC and OrangeCD for cataloging.
Ron
-
Hi Ron, I honestly dont have a ton of CD's. I took a break from the audio hobby a few years ago and traded, sold, gave away a fair amount. Probably around 300 CDs at the moment. Very low by audiophile standards. I spent the last few years heavy in the photography hobby.
Sold my tube pre/monoblocks, CD player, DAC, speakers...all of it. Still digging the photography very much but realized I missed my stereo
very much. But...thats OK. I rebuilding my collection and its given me a chance to rethink my front end. The benchmark sounds like a great
product. I've seen them advertised and reviewed out on the web. Not too sure about the Touch though. First I've heard of it. I will
def look into it.
-
I am an idiot...StephenWVU mentioned the Logitech Squeezebox Touch....Ron mentioned the Touch....one in the same...(slapping forehead)
-
Haha, no worries! Tell us what you do and how it sounds! If I find any good deals on any of the stuff I will tell you. I have a craigslist app that notifies me on stuff anywhat close. =)
-
I have a Squeezebox Touch that is used to just stream FLAC and other files > 16 bit/44.1 Hz resolution from the same PC. Logitech Media Server has to run on the PC to do this........sad thing is Logitech has discontinued the Touch. These Hi-Rez files sound amazing.
If you can find a Squeezebox Touch (just found out they're discontinued...that sux!), you can get an external hard drive that has the capability of running the Media Server, thereby eliminating the need for a PC. That's how I have my setup at home.
-
ataudio,
Lots of great, trustworthy info here. http://www.computeraudiophile.com/ (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/)
Check out the C.A.S.H. List, too. http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/331-computer-audiophile-suggested-hardware-list/ (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/331-computer-audiophile-suggested-hardware-list/)
Keep us posted on your progress.