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Audio Discussion => DIY => Topic started by: OldiesButGoodies on December 14, 2014, 03:29:07 PM
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I chose an old Command Performance recording of Doc Severinsen (Tempestuous Trumpets) for this experiment. I cleaned both sides using regular approaches, then poured wood glue on side A and let it dry for 36 hours. The results are pretty good! One problem - it uses glue up like nobodys business, so I would reserve for a the few finds that merit wasting a bunch of glue on.
http://120studio.com/vinylcleaning.htm (http://120studio.com/vinylcleaning.htm)
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Buy another record, I can understand that it could work but what a tedious and difficult process. As you note ut uses a shit load of glue.
I want an ultrasonic cleaner. Price has to come down.
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Ditto! ;)
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This seems like too much fun not to try. I have a duplicate LP or two I can risk. Thanks for sharing this.
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Testing cheap Harbor Freight glue on side B of the same record. You can get a bottle with enough glue for 5 records for roughly 2 bucks.
Wonder what sound the (dry, removed) glue side would make if I played it back. Probably the same with left and right channels inverted. That may be an experiment for a future weekend.
>:D
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Testing cheap Harbor Freight glue on side B of the same record. You can get a bottle with enough glue for 5 records for roughly 2 bucks.
Wonder what sound the (dry, removed) glue side would make if I played it back. Probably the same with left and right channels inverted. That may be an experiment for a future weekend.
>:D
I imagine the same sound as one would make when they kill a stylus.
I've never tried the glue thing, but have read about it. To get a rare record back to listenable it's worth a try after some practice.
The next step after glue is wet sanding!! http://www.instructables.com/id/Bring-Ruined-Records-Back-to-Life/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/Bring-Ruined-Records-Back-to-Life/)
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I have tried it once and it did do as stated, cleaned better then expected. It is though time consuming and a true waste of glue.
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I was joking about testing the glue side. Certainly not on the Van du Hul cart.
oBut here's my next angle to reduce glue costs further. Hit as many estate sales as I can. Invariably I find a bunch of hardware store chemicals selling for cheap, including wood glue. Stockpile a bunch of it and go to town on the most needy records.
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Water it down too
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The next step after glue is wet sanding!! http://www.instructables.com/id/Bring-Ruined-Records-Back-to-Life/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/Bring-Ruined-Records-Back-to-Life/)
Never do this.
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Like I would have the time to do this??? I barely have time to listen to the mostly pristine vinyl that I do have.
Or maybe I will do this after I test that big box of tubes I have....
Or re-foam those Advents....
Or replace the lamps in the Yamaha I dragged out the shed yesterday...
Or pull the amp from the console that I dragged into the shed yesterday....
And life is brief......
(not as cranky as I sound)
Mike
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Never do this.
I wouldn't try it.
This could be another alternative, when he pulled out the scissors I nearly cracked a rib.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZBwyVXJRdI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZBwyVXJRdI)
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I am hungry for some pancakes!!!
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Listening to side B of the Command record, just peeled the Harbor Freight wood glue off. This one took 24 hours longer to set than the more expensive Elmers glue, but it may be a matter of taking more time to apply a thinner coat (the HF wood glue has gelatin consistency - not easy to pour).
The results are hard to argue with - huge improvement vs. regular cleaning methods. Will continue using it with some older LPs in need of love.
P
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I've known about this for quite some time, but I've been too skeptical to try it. Until about an hour ago. My test record is a mono The Doors which was not listenable.
OBG, check out this thread. Cutting to page 34. http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=99837&page=34 (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=99837&page=34)
There's some chatter about which glues to use. I didn't read too much, usually too much nonsense to sift through over there. I just happened to have Titebond II at the house, so that's what I'm using.
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Interesting. Titebond seems to be what most places recommend, but I can tell you that the HF stuff does a decent job too. With time you can get the technique down to use less and less glue. Just did two records using much less. Will see how they come out. I am now trying the really bad ones that I had written off but was keeping hold off due to sentimental value. Not expecting miracles, but to get them reasonably 'listenanble'.
I am also playing around with the bulk tape eraser as a static removal tool. Will report on that too.
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Since this method does use so much glue, have any of you guys doing this considered doing two records at once, stuck together. I wonder how much stress would be required to separate them.
It would be twice as fast and use half as much glue if it would work easily.
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hmmm I smell an experiment here.
you would coat one record with glue first, then sandwich the second one onto it. it is risky in that the glue could run into both record's labels, and then you have ruined labels. And it would be impossible to positively confirmed that the glue on the top record reached everywhere (unless the LP is translucent :D). but yes - will try this and report back.
OBG
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I'm thinking you would end up with a permanent record sandwich. Remember... It's glue!
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I think it would slow down the drying time considerably.
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Plus, with the raised edge on most records to make them safe for changers, you may actually increase the amount of glue needed.
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I'm thinking you would end up with a permanent record sandwich. Remember... It's glue!
Remember, he's Mexican! LOL! >:D
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Well my Doors record is listenable now, but I wouldn't say it's a reference copy or restored. I'd say half the sizzling bacon is gone, but quiet passages are still not great. Maybe a second coating.
As for gluing two together, I don't think pulling them apart would be an issue. I would definitely put a pull tab of something between them. I would also experiment two records with larger run out sections. STaL maybe on to something with the raised edge.
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I spoke too soon, side one was a bit better. Side two is still complete garbage. I think this record is too far gone. Perhaps construction adhesive is an option.
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Glue will only remove debris. It won't cure groove damage.
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Glue will only remove debris. It won't cure groove damage.
Time to wet sand that puppy!