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Audio Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: bmwr75 on December 31, 2010, 05:43:31 PM

Title: Dual 1219 turntable
Post by: bmwr75 on December 31, 2010, 05:43:31 PM: Hey Guys,

Anyone familiar with this idler wheel driven TT? Are they a good vintage TT? I found one today that is missing the original cover and I think the stylus is shot. How much might it be worth assuming everything else checks out good?

Here's a link to what they look like.

http://www.dual-reference.com/tables/1219.htm (http://www.dual-reference.com/tables/1219.htm)

Scott
Title: Re: Dual 1219 turntable
Post by: Kingman on December 31, 2010, 05:50:12 PM: Those are good looking units...Listened to quite a few in my youth. They still appeal to me although I'm not sure of the quality or durability.
Title: Re: Dual 1219 turntable
Post by: tinpan on December 31, 2010, 06:08:38 PM: I found my dad's old Elac Mirrachord which is very similar.

You can see it sitting here second picture down:
http://vintagehifipgh.com/forum/index.php?topic=417.msg4000#msg4000 (http://vintagehifipgh.com/forum/index.php?topic=417.msg4000#msg4000)

I think they are cool as heck, but, I have no idea what kind of cartridge or tone arm you can get for them.

I'd love to see a way to refresh mine. I don't think they compete with anything made these days.
Title: Re: Dual 1219 turntable
Post by: confused on December 31, 2010, 06:55:35 PM: Scott,

I might have a parts unit. If you decide to mess with it, let me know.

Dale
Title: Re: Dual 1219 turntable
Post by: bmwr75 on January 01, 2011, 10:18:54 AM: Quote from: confused on December 31, 2010, 06:55:35 PM
Scott,

I might have a parts unit. If you decide to mess with it, let me know.

Dale

Dale, do you have a cover that is good shape for this TT?
Title: Re: Dual 1219 turntable
Post by: e_just on January 01, 2011, 10:35:52 AM: I bought one of these recently for cheap but ending up parting it out because it was in pretty bad shape. I have a platter and plinth up for grabs if you want it. The plinth needs new feet but is good otherwise.
Title: Re: Dual 1219 turntable
Post by: bmwr75 on January 01, 2011, 01:51:13 PM: The platter and plinth are in good shape on this one. The original dust cover is missing.

Appears the start/stop lever is stripped too. The shaft is splined and the lever is not engaging the splines. lever appears to be aluminum, so could be easily stripped.
Title: Re: Dual 1219 turntable
Post by: SunnyDaze on January 01, 2011, 02:16:41 PM: I don't know the internals of the 1219, but from my experience working on other Duals, I'll tell you this... If you open that puppy up and start tinkering, be careful and draw diagrams. The mechanisms on those things sometimes consist of overly-elaborate systems of levers, springs, cogs, and the like.

I know the 1219's were indeed an idler wheel configuration with a 4-point gimbal tone arm. It's a good idea to keep that idler wheel clean to avoid Wow & Flutter issues, and to not introduce any additional rumble. I don't think the rumble on these things was bad at all to begin with.

You should throw up some pictures.
Title: Re: Dual 1219 turntable
Post by: e_just on January 01, 2011, 03:40:00 PM: Quote from: bmwr75 on January 01, 2011, 01:51:13 PM
The platter and plinth are in good shape on this one. The original dust cover is missing.

Appears the start/stop lever is stripped too. The shaft is splined and the lever is not engaging the splines. lever appears to be aluminum, so could be easily stripped.

Your 1219 might need to be greased up. The one I had sat unused for many years and the grease gummed up and it was stuck on 78 rpm. If your levers are indeed bad, I have a set currently listed on that auction site ending in about a day.
Eric
Title: Re: Dual 1219 turntable
Post by: bmwr75 on January 01, 2011, 04:46:05 PM: Eric,

I could not find you levers on eBay. Please send a link.

Scott
Title: Re: Dual 1219 turntable
Post by: e_just on January 01, 2011, 04:56:49 PM: http://shop.ebay.com/e_just/m.html (http://shop.ebay.com/e_just/m.html)

Here you go :)
Title: Re: Dual 1219 turntable
Post by: bmwr75 on January 02, 2011, 01:47:30 PM: Eric,

I was able to repair the lever with gorilla glue.

What condition is the plinth in you have for a 1219? I just noticed a piece of veneer is missing from the one I have.

Scott
Title: Re: Dual 1219 turntable
Post by: e_just on January 04, 2011, 08:55:34 PM: sorry for the late reply. My plinth is in decent shape but has two broken feet.
Title: Re: Dual 1219 turntable
Post by: bmwr75 on January 05, 2011, 06:12:59 AM: OK, guess the one I've got is in better shape. Thanks Eric.
Title: Re: Dual 1219 turntable
Post by: confused on January 05, 2011, 01:07:30 PM: Still looking through my collection. Will let you know.
Title: Re: Dual 1219 turntable
Post by: bmwr75 on January 09, 2011, 06:22:16 PM: Dale, no need to look further. I gave the TT back to the fellow, was going to cost more than I wanted to pay to get it fixed.