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Repair / Help Forum => Repair / Help => Topic started by: Slim-Shaddy on April 30, 2013, 12:25:23 PM
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I'm looking for suggestions as to the best cartridge to use to eliminate IGD. I am using a Goldring 1042, which is a decent cart, but I get distortion and sibilance on the last track of all of my records. Even new or audiophile records distort. I initially had it on my modded 1200, but thinking that it might just not mate well with the arm, I tried it on my Rega P1. It sounds a little better on that arm, but there is still distortion there. I properly aligned the cart on both tables. I even tried a different phono pre, which sounds better to me than the phono stage in my preamp, even though it's SS vs. Tube (Cambridge azur vs. Soundvalves pre). But, still the distortion persists. I am fairly certain that it's a fault of the cart. I don't want to get into a linear tracking turntable, I just want to get a needle that will track those inner grooves. Any advice is appreciated.
Ed
Also, I just want to add that I have a Shure V15 RS that needs a stylus that would be a cheap fix if it's a good tracker, but I don't want to spend the money on a needle if what I need is a different cart.
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I'm sure you did but thought i'd ask; did you use a protractor to mount your cart? Did you check the tonearm weight and anti-skate as well?
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I'm sure you did but thought i'd ask; did you use a protractor to mount your cart? Did you check the tonearm weight and anti-skate as well?
Yes, Uh-hu, Yep
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Is there a shibata for that V15 RS? Diamond shape is the main determinant in IGD. My AT440mLa almost never has IGD issues. When it does I can feel fairly sure that it is groove wear.
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Is there a shibata for that V15 RS? Diamond shape is the main determinant in IGD. My AT440mLa almost never has IGD issues. When it does I can feel fairly sure that it is groove wear.
Not sure. The Goldring has a "Gyger S" diamond. How does that compare to the Shibata?
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Yes, there is a shibata stylus for that cart, but it's $160. http://www.turntableneedles.com/Shure-VN5xMR-type-JICO-Brand-Shibata-Stylus-our-Needle-77x3-DSH_p_4120.html (http://www.turntableneedles.com/Shure-VN5xMR-type-JICO-Brand-Shibata-Stylus-our-Needle-77x3-DSH_p_4120.html)
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Is there a shibata for that V15 RS? Diamond shape is the main determinant in IGD. My AT440mLa almost never has IGD issues. When it does I can feel fairly sure that it is groove wear.
Not sure. The Goldring has a "Gyger S" diamond. How does that compare to the Shibata?
I can't say, I don't know anything about it. I will say that $150 might make that cart compete with carts costing 10x that price.
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AT 440mla will pretty much eliminate that problem for you. Microline stylus shape, $170. It also has a replaceable stylus for about $105 from AT.
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AT 440mla will pretty much eliminate that problem for you. Microline stylus shape, $170. It also has a replaceable stylus for about $105 from AT.
Hmmm... I read some reviews and it sounds like it might be a giant killer. I might have to pick one up.
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Ok, here's my dilemma. I could a JICO SAS needle for my shure for about the same price as the AT cart. The JICO needles are supposed to be amazing. The V15 is supposed to be a champ at tracking the inner grooves just like the AT. Which route would you guys take, and why?
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My brother in law has a V15 with the higher end Jico stylus mounted on a modified Technics SL-1200. It is respectable! That cartridge with the upgrade stylus is very nice but i'm very sensitive to inner groove distortion and it isn't what I would choose. I prefer the warmer sound of the Shure, but for tracking and handling distortion, in my mind it still goes to the AT 440MLA.
Some people says the 440 has a "sterile" sound and I would tend to agree but its a small price to pay for that level of tracking. Another option for you would be a Denon cartridge. They are the best of both worlds for my ears, nice warm sound, very low distortion. A DL160, 103, 301, depending on your price range.
In a nutshell, I was ready to abandon vinyl as a source in my system til I discovered the AT440. There are better cartridges, but not for any less money. Don't pay $239, you should be able to get these with some looking around for $160-170.
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I had an extra that Stephen WVU is borrowing at the moment. I'll get him to comment on his findings. Not sure if he is definitely buying my extra 440, if not, i'll be selling a 440 that's not even broken in yet, less than 40 hours.
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I'd be interested in a used one that I could sell if I didn't like it, and be able to recoup my funds. The problem with the JICO is that I'd lose money if I didn't get the results I was looking for. I'm by no means wealthy. If I'm going to dump $150 plus on something, I'd better be sure it's what I want.
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Ed, I will go ahead and say I have a Shure V15 Mk 4 cart. There may be something wrong with it but compared to the AK 440 I might as well throw it in the trash. There is almost no distortion with the AK cart but I am thinking I might move to a Denon and possibly a MC cart to compare the differences when I have some extra cash. If you want to buy it I more than endorse it for what you want.
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Sounds like Stephen is going to pass on the AT 440 mla, I am going to sell it. Less than 40 hours total, original box and packaging. Pm me if you're interested.
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AT 440mla will pretty much eliminate that problem for you. Microline stylus shape, $170. It also has a replaceable stylus for about $105 from AT.
Hmmm... I read some reviews and it sounds like it might be a giant killer. I might have to pick one up.
If you go to the media forum here there is a list of albums I dropped with a 440mLa. Tell me what you want to hear and I'll send you links. I love my 440.
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My brother in law has a V15 with the higher end Jico stylus mounted on a modified Technics SL-1200. It is respectable!
Is it the shibata? There is a whole line of JICO styli IIRC.
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My input is probably worthless as I have a linear tracking turntable (ReVox B795), but I recently bought a new Grado Gold1 from Tom. I ran it through my copy of the Shure Audio Obstacle Course and it did an excellent job tracking the heavily modulated tracks. This info may or may not be useful but I have to get my post count up so I can get rid of the FNG title...plus I can't sleep as usual...
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You can get the Micro Ridge (next step up from shibata) for $8 less by going straight to the manufacturer...
http://stylus.export-japan.com/product_info.php?cPath=18&products_id=1523 (http://stylus.export-japan.com/product_info.php?cPath=18&products_id=1523)
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I think I'm going to buy Shayne's AT, but if I ever get a stylus for my shure, I'll go with the "SAS" from JICO http://stylus.export-japan.com/product_info.php?products_id=1522 (http://stylus.export-japan.com/product_info.php?products_id=1522) . 17 dollars more expensive, but supposedly way worth it.
Papa, I had a grado F1+ (similar to the Silver) awhile back and thought it sounded really good with the exception of tracking the last song. That's a benefit to having a linear tracking table for sure.
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I would love for you to get the SAS so you can tell us how it is. Again, I love my 440, but the audiophools will tell you that you are taking a big step backwards. The 15 w/SAS has more street cred for sure.
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Update:
I ended up with Shayne's 440MLa, and like he said, it tracks like a dream. No inner groove distortion to speak of, but it still can't track Peter Gabriel's "So" (sssssssssssledgehammer). It's pretty far from the sound of the Goldring, though. I'm hoping with more play time that will improve. If not, oh well. I have the Goldring on my Rega P1 for more tame records. Down the road I'd like to dump some money on a nice MC that's the best of both worlds, but until then, I think I'll remain pretty happy with what I've got.